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Coloradoan Protestors against AGB

October 14, 2007

Written by Bug

Alexander Graham Bell (AGB) is an organization, has worked for more than 100 year to provide the deaf and hard of hearing children the opportunity to speak and listen. However, they are trying to wipe the Deaf Culture out and destroy American Sign Language and all kind of sign languages. They believe that Deaf children should not learn sign language at all. In 1883 Alexander Graham Bell desired to put a stop to the growth of Deaf culture and prevent deaf children from being born. He proposed legislation against the intermarriage of congenital deaf people. He wanted the forbidding the use of sign language in the education of deaf pipils and prohibiting deaf adults from being teachers of deaf children. His proposals almost succeeded. Today AGB still hope to earn the millions dollars to teach the professional people such as educators, health care providers, etc about the deaf babies….they think it is okay for the hearing babies to learn sign language but it is not okay for the deaf babies to learn sign language. There was a strong protest against AGB in Denver on September 28th and 29th. View the video of protestors’ argument against AGB, CLICK:   http://www.rmdeafnews.com/index.html  Look for “Rally at the AGBell regional conference in Denver” and click it to view the video. 

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  1. JustJodi
    October 15, 2007 at 7:57 am

    Hello folks..

    I applaud what the Denver group did, I certainly hope that every one in the USA joins together each time AGBell has a conference or just a meeting and let them know that we will not let them handcuff us or take away our culture.

    After looking at so many ASL vlogs,, I am sure there are alot of good LEADERS out there who will pull together other deafies and get them off their butts and away from their VP,PC’S, for a little while and get out there and SUPPORT ASL and our Deaf culture,, I am afraid if no one sticks up for ASL and Deaf Culture it will slowly die out because no one was there to SAVE IT.

    Again I applaud what the Denver group did,, three cheers for them HIP HIP HORRAY HIP HIP HORRAY HIP HIP HORRAY….May every one in the USA get out and join the next rally in Wisconsin..2008

    HEY FOOKEM AND BUG AND THE OTHER TWO,YOU GUYS ARE DOING A TERRIFIC JOB,
    MUWAHHHHH
    JJ

  2. Name withheld upon Request
    October 15, 2007 at 8:05 am

    Please provide a cite where the AGBell organization thinks that it is ok for hearing babies to learn sign language?

    I think its another example of putting words in one’s mouth.

  3. October 15, 2007 at 8:13 am

    Thumbs up!

    Jodi says it all :)))

  4. Just another gal
    October 15, 2007 at 8:15 am

    Dear Name withheld upon Request,

    See the link:

    http://www.agbellacademy.org/principal-auditory.htm

    See number 3: Guide and coach parents¹ to help their child use hearing as the primary sensory modality in developing spoken language without the use of sign language or emphasis on lipreading

    Notice it says WITHOUT the use of sign language.

    In addition, AGBELL will NOT donate any monies to organizations that enables sign language! Its a fact

  5. Name withheld upon Request
    October 15, 2007 at 8:31 am

    Dear Just another gal:

    I think you misunderstood me, or maybe I wasn’t clear…

    I asked… where does it say that AGB supports the use of sign language with hearing babies?

    I’m just asking this because in this blog post, Bug wrote:

    “. . . they think it is okay for the hearing babies to learn sign language but it is not okay for the deaf babies to learn sign language.”

    I would like to know where it is said that AGBell thinks that ‘it is ok for the hearing babies to learn sign language.’

  6. October 15, 2007 at 8:42 am

    To “Name withheld upon Request”

    Bug wrote;
    “. . . they think it is okay for the hearing babies to learn sign language but it is not okay for the deaf babies to learn sign language.”

    Since AGBell doesn’t object about hearing babies learning sign language, it is ok to assume that what Bug wrote about that AGBell thinks it is okay for the hearing babies to learn sign language.
    And we know that AGBell objects for Deaf babies to learn sign language…a very biased ideology of AGBell and AVT and their associates.

    John

  7. AGBell Victim
    October 15, 2007 at 8:51 am

    That person, “Name withheld upon Request” could be no other person except Mike McConnell.

    Please get a life!

  8. Name withheld upon Request
    October 15, 2007 at 9:24 am

    John—

    Your ‘logic’ is flawed. Ok, since you did not say anything about being against capital punishment, is it ok for me to assume that you are for capital punishment?

    I think that phrase is purposefully put there to incite deaf people who use sign language.

    In any case, AGBell does not give a damn about hearing babies. The purpose of their organization is to espouse oral education in deaf/hoh children. Why would I give a rat’s ass to ‘assume’ things about their viewpoints on educating hearing children?

  9. October 15, 2007 at 10:14 am

    To “Name withheld upon Request”

    My logic is that AGBell, AVT and their associates are very WRONG to tell parents not to use or teach sign language for their Deaf babies and children in schools.

    Is it your logic that you agree and support with AGBell, AVT and their associates to tell parents of Deaf babies and children in schools not to learn any sign language(ASL)?

    Why AGBell and people like yourself are so against sign language for Deaf babies?

    And if you are not against sign language for Deaf babies, then why are you enjoying yourself bashing the concerned Deaf citizens that want to educate parents of Deaf babies the importance of the cognitive language(ASL) to learn how to learn?

    Concerned Deaf Citizen
    John Egbert

  10. October 15, 2007 at 10:25 am

    It gives me the goosebumps to see the rest of the leaders taking some actions to send out the critical message that it is not acceptable to ban sign language from Deaf babies.

    Name withheld, AG Bell does not give a damn even about Deaf culture and ASL but from the way I interpret it, AG Bell has not make a belief statement or a press release against hearing babies to sign which means to me that it is ok for them or that they don’t care like you said.

    As a group or organization in general, they tend to send out their belief statements across the nation and it is possible that they know about hearing babies signing but they chose not to publicize their standings. For whatever reasons, they may be neutral about it since they are hearing or that they are fine with it or that they don’t care!

    However I find your rebuttal to John flawed as well. It is completely different when we are talking about individual belief statement since it is not possible for us to keep track on every individual’s point of view as opposed to an organization who tends to declare their belief statements, purposes, goals, plan of action, etc. that is much more public.

    AG Bell used and studied hearing children’s way of learning the language and in educational setting as a model for Deaf/HH children so I got news for you, they do have their viewpoints on educating hearing children that can be applied to Deaf children. However, when it comes to studying the use of sign language in hearing babies, they fall on deaf ears and act like they are blind in the dark about it. What a load of crap!

  11. Name withheld upon Request
    October 15, 2007 at 10:37 am

    So, basically, this protest is all based on assumptions?

    You know the saying… if you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

    Well, okay, I accept your point about individual vs. group/organizational beliefs.

    Now, let’s put that logic to use….

    As you know, the Chinese have been making deadly toys. Now, the NAD did not put out a position statement against it, so is it okay for me to assume they are in favor of the Chinese manufacturers continuing to make deadly toys?

    Come on…

  12. Name withheld upon Request
    October 15, 2007 at 10:56 am

    I’m going to shut up now, but there’s a term for the argument of AGB being pro-sign language in hearing babies….

    Straw man argument:

    an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.

    To “set up a straw man” or “set up a straw man argument” is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent.

    Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent’s position.

    A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent’s actual argument has not been refuted.

    I’m just trying to help the Deaf community make strong and logically-sound arguments, but if you (Barb DiGi, John Egbert, et. al) prefer to have style over substance and emotional appeal over rational thought then I guess there’s nothing more I can do.

    Have a good day, and continue on soldiering against those ‘windmills.’

  13. Jean Boutcher
    October 15, 2007 at 11:02 am

    Name withheld upon Request:

    I do not know about AGB; however, I do know that
    the NIH (National Institute of Health (according to two articles appearing in LIFE magazine in
    1991 and 2002 respectively and TV news some time in 2000s) encourages hearing parents to learn sign language to communicate with their
    hearing babies for several reasons. Perhaps you
    would like to see Amy Cohen-Efron’s now world-famous vlog with voice, “The Greatest Irony”. She provides all citations you need. I do not know the
    link at the writing, but you might locate it if you
    would type in either “The Greatest Irony” or
    “Amy Cohen-Efron” at the Google.

    Amy’s vlog is a muuuuuuuust see.

  14. ASL Risen
    October 15, 2007 at 11:14 am

    Hey FB, thank you so much for going there for us! Wow millions of dollars to spend on doctors, audiologists and professional to educated Deaf babies not to use sign language! Sad! Thanks for the video link!

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  16. AGBell Victim
    October 15, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    To Mike Mc.

    Yeah, you should shut up and stop making a fool of yourself.

  17. A must see vlog
    October 15, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Name withheld upon Request:

    Watch Amy’s video http://www.greatestirony.com/

  18. October 15, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    To Name Witheld:

    You said: “So, basically, this protest is all based on assumptions?”

    Why, of course not! We already know very well that there are actual statements found in the AG Bell website and in Amy’s Greatest Irony that they do not condone signs in Deaf babies and don’t tell me this is an assumption! However, your point about making assumption for AG Bell saying it is ok for hearing babies is taken. Yes, it may be an assumption not necessarily a fact but we already know that it is not AG Bell’s concern about hearing babies.

    But do not discredit the protest based on the notion that all statements are assumed since we both know very well it is a FACT that Deaf babies undergoing AVT programs are not even allowed to sign nor lipreading!

    “I’m just trying to help the Deaf community make strong and logically-sound arguments, but if you (Barb DiGi, John Egbert, et. al) prefer to have style over substance and emotional appeal over rational thought then I guess there’s nothing more I can do.”

    I am not sure if you have been helping by just simply criticizing. So please, if you will, allow me to help you by encouraging you to be a part of the solution.

    Cheers,

    Barb

  19. October 15, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    One more thing…there are many Deaf people joining the bandwagon since they can see a logical sense in it, not necessarily hovered by emotional appeal. If it is really based on substance and emotional appeal like you said, I doubt that DBC will be supported vastly by the Deaf community. For you to make this assumption is an insult to us. Ohh, so are you making an ASS U ME?

  20. October 15, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    Interesting.

    I’m Deaf, and I really don’t give a fuck about the AGBell Foundation and what they believe in. I thought Deaf culture was strong enough to promote believers from within it’s culture, rather than engaging in hit-and-run tactics when a person or organization disagrees with Deaf culture itself.

    So what if an organization promotes a different paradigm of education? Why is that a direct threat to the Deaf community, anyway?

    Bunch of fucking idiots freaking out over a BELIEF system (well, reduced to simplest form). We live in America, and YOU have the choice to do what YOU want to do. Why would YOU be so worried about other people making their own choices?

    Apparently, Deaf culture is so weak that it has to be threatened by a single educational approach and protest it.

    But I’ll tell you one thing: I liked the Straw Man post! Some of you people need to reread that thing a good 100 times to grasp the concept behind it.

    Good luck!

    :o)

    Paotie

  21. The Majority
    October 16, 2007 at 5:36 am

    Paotie,

    I read Straw Man post enough.

    Typically you rescue Straw Man, aka; Mike McConnell when he makes a fool of himself again and again.

  22. October 16, 2007 at 11:26 am

    The Majority –

    You are a great and shining example of when a person projects their own feelings onto someone else.

    :o)

    Paotie

  23. Name withheld too
    October 16, 2007 at 11:45 am

    Paotie,

    Just read your new post, DeafHood: A Process of Self-Repression.

    This shows that you, Mike McConnell and Richard Roehm are the three Stooges in the Deaf society.

    Congrats!

  24. Name withheld upon Request
    October 16, 2007 at 1:32 pm

    Barb DiGi:

    What drugs are you on right now?

    DBC is supported by the vast majority of the deaf community? Well, please exclude me from this ‘vast majority.’

    And I know a lot of deaf folks who disagree with the approach and tactics of the DBC, but they chose to shut up because people like you and Mr. Eberwein, especially, send their hound dogs (Ridor, et. al) to attack those individuals. What happened to free thought in the deaf community.

    Trust me, there are a lot of deaf individuals who disagree with you and the DBC. I’ve discussed it with a lot of them. So, you’re making a ‘vast’ overstatement here, you know.

    Furthermore, does anyone get the feeling that Deafread.com is one huge echo chamber with the same people proclaiming loudly the same message over and over again?

  25. October 17, 2007 at 6:00 am

    Name:

    Are you that ignorant? Oh boo hoo! You know very well if people really feel this way about their opinions, they can go anonymously like you to express their views but tell me why there are not many? Why are you the only one bickering on this blog?

    You don’t have any evidence that there are a lot of people who oppose DBC since here in DeafRead and in the Deaf community across the nation, we have been receiving a lot of support. I haven’t yet received any messages that the majority is opposed to DBC. So you are defintely making it up!

  26. October 17, 2007 at 6:59 am

    Barb,

    I agree with you that “Name withheld upon Request” is not telling the truth about many people telling him that they oppose DBC. I have gotten so many emails wanting to be involved with DBC.

    This person is desperate of getting himself out of the hole he dug for trying to discredit DBC in the first place.

    John

  27. October 17, 2007 at 8:01 am

    No comments but along whats in store for deaf people today.

  28. marlene
    October 17, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    Name Withheld Upon Request:

    How about telling us a little bit about yourself (your upbringing) so we can better understand where your thoughts and comments come from?

  29. You Dont Get it
    October 17, 2007 at 8:39 pm

    Paotie:

    You said:

    “So what if an organization promotes a different paradigm of education? Why is that a direct threat to the Deaf community, anyway?”

    I would suggest you to do a research by paying attention on blogs/vlogs and AG Bell Website. They are spreading the word to parents about the evils of signs for their Deaf babies. People like DBC participants care so much not necessarily freak out that Deaf babies are deprived of communication. There are plenty of former oralists who look back and felt cheated thanks to AG Bell. DBC promotes both languages while AG Bell rejects ASL. Research shows that Deaf people’s natural language is ASL as it is innate (check http://www.wfdeaf.org). Too many Deaf children came to Elementary program (around the age 6 – 7) with no language since they “failed” to pick up English through oralism. For heaven’s sake, this is 2007 and this should not be happening! So why should they sit back and not take the stand?

    You are the fucking ignorant idiot here because you dont give a flying fuck about the welfare of Deaf babies’ future. Choices made by parents are not always correct and so often they received biased information from AG Bell so enough is enough about the damage of their educational future. Don’t forget the Babbit report!

  30. MJ
    October 27, 2007 at 6:49 pm

    Why don’t WE take BRAILLE away from the hearing babies and children? That makes about as much sense as them trying to take signing from Deaf babies and children. Infuriates me.

  31. February 25, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Ha ha…first time seeing this blog.

    “AGBell victim,”

    Your claim that “Name withheld upon Request” is me is in fact quite incorrect. I don’t know who that person was but it wasn’t me. That’s for sure. I always use my name “mcconnell” whenever I make comments in other people’s blogs. Nice little conspiracy party there you had going, “AGBell victim.”

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  33. B.BarNavi
    February 3, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    One of the biggest dogmas in the American Deaf society is that ASL is the “natural language” of hearing-impaired children. ORLY? So when those Nicaraguan kids were socializing, they were all doing it in their God-given gift of American Sign Language? When we teach a little-d deaf kid to communicate in SEE or PSE or whatever forms of signed English, that means we are REALLY trying to prevent them from communicating, period?

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