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Deafread: Guidelines mix-up?

September 12, 2007

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By JFLMad

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Hello, I want to discuss about the Deafread guidelines. It is mixed-up as I check their guidelines. It says that if many same posts, for example, around 15-20 same stories. They will only post 2 or 3 stories. I understand it clearly. Last Saturday, after Matt Hamill’s fight, he lost. I add information about Hamill lost on Saturday night. They post our topic on the front page. Then overnight to Sunday morning, many of my friends send emails to me. I ask them why and found out that they delete and move it in the extra page. I was confused and not understand about it. It’s all mix up and plus look like there’s some favorism going on. Notice that some bloggers/vloggers put on the front page same and same. For example, I give you Mike McConnell, he post 4 or seem like 5 or same Matt Hamill stories with the understanding of different topics. They put all of them on the front page. It does not make sense. I think they should put any deaf related issues on the front page and for the extra page, it should be general like jokes or different ones. They mix up and make me not understand clear…umm confuse too. Oh well, see you later!

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  1. Anonymous
    September 12, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    You have gut to speak out which I totally 100 percent agree with you. I don’t know why they did. You nailed them with the fact. I see lot of hyprocite people try to browse their noses to be friendly with them. Hell with it.

    Keep it up with your vlog, JFLmad.

  2. Lisa Marie
    September 12, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    Far out! I like the end of your vlog…I want to race with you!!! Hee-hee…but, but, but I can be out of shape and probably too old to race!

  3. September 12, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    Fookem and Bug, please read my latest post, “Plagiarism is stealing and act of fraud“. Your post was moved to DeafRead Extra because it was clearly a copyright violation.

  4. seekgeo
    September 12, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Hi JFLMad,

    I understand where you are coming from however I also understand where DeafRead is coming from because plagiarism is very dangerous nowadays with a bunch of lawsuits due to copyright violation.

    It’s for copying the whole article off the internet to post on a blog post. What Mike McConnell did, he shared his opinion about the article, copied a bit with a quote then if readers are interested to read the rest of article, that is where the link should be available.

    Deafread is just playing it safe for their own good.

    It’s just a thought. 🙂

    Beside, don’t get too stressed out if it doesn’t make to front page. You have plenty of loyal readers out there. I rarely ever make it to front page, nowadays and I’m doing fine and the same goes to Fookem/Bug site.

    Bloggers/Vloggers out there need to realize they can’t depend Deafread by talking about deaf topics all the time so they can make it to front page to get traffic.

    Keep it up.

    -SG

  5. Anonymous
    September 12, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Tayler, he talks about #5 (repeat) in your guidelines.

    About plagiarism, they always put the links on the bottom of the articles. If they do, you don’t have to put them in front page. Is it a simple thing to do?

    His previous vlog talks about mcdonalds and you dare to put it in extra. What’s up with it?

    Tayler, please clarify about ‘repeat’ in your guidelines. Thank you.

  6. Yeah!?!
    September 12, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Tayler…you are full of sh*t.

    what happen to their McD’s story? It was put in the extra page??? They made their own story and none of it is plagiarism!!

    They always post the article with the link on the bottom of the page.

    You are hypocrite!

  7. September 12, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    Anonymous number 2, Guideline #5 (repeat) is not the reason the post was moved to DeafRead Extra. Instead of clarifying with DeafRead, Fookem and Bug made their own assumption as to why it was moved.

    Simply putting the link at bottom of a post isn’t enough. See the first tip on the article, “Plagiarism is stealing and act of fraud“. DeafRead does not make the rules when it comes to plagiarism. We simply enforce it, like “SG” wrote, to protect ourselves. Please take a moment to read the links listed under resources on the above linked page.

    In fact, I videophoned with “Fookem” several months ago. He clearly understood that he was plagiarizing, and agreed that those posts containing plagiarism should be moved to DeafRead Extra.

    This has been the case until now. We are initiating a stronger policy regarding this illegal act. If a blog continues to plagiarize knowingly, as Fookem and Bug has been doing for months, it will be removed from DeafRead. The reason is to protect DeafRead; it is often difficult to detect plagiarism so it is safer to not deal with blogs that are known to fraudulently steal content.

    Bug’s recent vlog about McDonalds’ paper bag is not deaf-related. It just happened that the bag had the “I Love You” sign. It was about persistence and the customer being “always right”. It was a good vlog nevertheless. 🙂

    In the future, I strongly encourage bvloggers and especially Bug, to contact the DeafRead team personally about DeafRead issues. We may be wrong sometimes and will quickly correct the situation. We want to work together, instead of against any individual or group, because it is for the greater good. Thank you.

  8. professor of Gally
    September 12, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Define of plagiarism-

    Plagiarism: passing off as one’s own the work of another without credit

    I notice Fookembug always put the links on the bottom page of the articles. So they are giving the credit of the stories. They did not make up their own work.

    I am confuse by the Deafread too, I never like them either and bunch of the favorism going on there too.

  9. seekgeo
    September 12, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    professor of Gally,

    Actually, when it comes across to plagiarism where you copy the whole article to the post even tho there is a link, do you really even bother to click on it?

    The answer is no, because there is whole article right there on the post. That is where some people can twist or you can say the law can be tricky, sometimes.

    For instance, this site gets 2k readers coming here to read the article, the original newspaper will accuse by saying they have lost money on advertisement because of copying the whole article posted on a blog site elsewhere regardless if the link is given.

    So, I’d say the better way is to paste half of the article on post or some quotes, etc and leave a link for readers to click if they desire to read the rest of article.

    That is the way to avoid getting sued.

    Again, it’s a thought.

    -SG

  10. September 12, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Tayler and the others-

    We are not talking about the plagiarism. We are talking about the repeat of posts. Deafread’s guideline #5 say:

    5) Repeats

    If there are ten articles about Marlee Matlin doing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl, we will post only one or two articles. In the Matlin example, there were more than 10 articles from various publications across the country.

    Please view the vlog above again to understand clearly what we are talking about. We understand the plagiarism clearly!

    Thank you

  11. September 12, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Thank you, SG. You presented good points.

    I would like to respond to the issue of posts that copies the full article and links to the article on the bottom. This is plagiarism.

    This is from one of the links I listed under “Resources”.

    “As a rule, however, you should be careful about borrowing too liberally — if the case can be made that your work consists predominantly of someone else’s words or ideas, you may still be susceptible to charges of plagiarism. Also, if you follow the words of a source too closely, and do not use quotation marks, it can be considered plagiarism even if you cite the source.”

    Source: Plagiarism.org Learning Center’s Plagiarism FAQ
    http://www.plagiarism.org/learning_center/plagiarism_faq.html

    It says even linking to the article is not enough. Again, the #1 tip which I wrote in the article, “Plagiarism is stealing and act of fraud”, says “Never paste the full article, no matter the citation given”.

    DeafRead understands that we need to be flexible and patient because plagiarism can be a confusing subject.

  12. September 12, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    In response to Fookembug’s recent comment, I am copying and pasting what I wrote up above on this page:

    “Guideline #5 (repeat) is not the reason the post was moved to DeafRead Extra.”

  13. Nobody, myob
    September 12, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    To Tayler

    What’s the reason of moving them to the extra page? I am curious heh

    btw, I think you should have their McDonald’s vlog to be on the front page because it is deaf relate issue and you can see some of the commentors want to buy the carry-out bag from them.

  14. September 12, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Honest — there are several times that this blogsite plagiarized from the newspapers without citing the link.

    It made me cringe.

    Do something about it.

    R-

  15. September 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    Nobody, myob:

    Please take a moment to read all the comments above. I stated the reason why their post were moved to DeafRead Extra.

    “[The] post was moved to DeafRead Extra because it was clearly a copyright violation.”

    In response to “Fookembug’s” statement in their above comment “We understand the plagiarism clearly!”. I believe plagiarism is being misunderstood, otherwise Fookem and Bug wouldn’t have taken part in this illegal act of fraud for all these months.

    Fookem and Bug, please approve my latest comment sitting in your moderation queue. It contains valuable information about the issue of posts that copies the full article and links to the article on the bottom.

    Thanks!

  16. Deaf Animal Lover
    September 12, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    I understand and agree that plagiarism is a serious crime, but I have to agree with some people that Deafread has not been consistent about approving posts for the front page or for the extra page. I have seen many deaf-related posts that end up on the extra page. Deafread does not seem to think discussing deaf animals is related to deaf issues. I have seen some posts that don’t deserve the front page like deaf sean berdy. he just played with some effects. also, he has said that he would move extra posts if they have 5 votes, but i have seen some posts with more than 5 votes and they are still stuck there. favorism?

  17. zz
    September 12, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    xx

  18. September 12, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    I agree with seekgeo– just copying, pasting, and dumping an entire article from someone else and then passing it off as a blog entry isn’t really blogging. It’s just passing someone else’s work off as yours, and allowing their work to speak for your blog.

    As Tayler and others state, the accepted practice is to link to the original source material, then perhaps use one or two sentences, or a paragraph, to use to demonstrate the importance of the original article, and then analyze or comment on the piece you are quoting. Otherwise, you’re just submitting someone else’s writing without critically examining it.

    The link at the bottom doesn’t even lead to the article you used in the first place. If I was Larry Csonka, I wouldn’t be too pleased.

    Now, to the argument you’re presenting. As you said in the comments, you understand fully about the plagiarism. So that’s not an issue here. Your argument is that DeafRead did not display your post, while they displayed others, such as McConnell’s.

    I agree– if your post had consisted of original material, and DeafRead had not posted it, then they (remember it’s not just Tayler, it’s a team of human editors) would be guilty of not practicing what they preach. However, your post was merely a copied article. Because DeafRead has a policy against plagiarism, it was perfectly within their rights to put this particular entry in DeafRead Extra. As it is, based on their policy regarding plagiarism, they could just as easily have rejected the post entirely.

    As for whether McConnell is overrepresented at DeafRead, that’s a separate issue, and possibly one worth exploring. But again, a separate issue.

    I’ve read your blog posts and viewed your vlogs from time to time– some are good. But in this particular instance, I don’t think you have a good case, sorry.

  19. for deaf animal row
    September 12, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Bingo!

  20. Jane Doe
    September 12, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Oh, Tayler, you are in denial. You posted Deaf Queen blog a hundred times related to deaf black woman that murdered her lover. As they did took the stories from the newspapers.

    I feel you, seekgeo. Some of your vlog interest me but too bad they did not put yours in front page. What a shame.

  21. White Ghost
    September 12, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    Tayler —

    I do not understand what you are trying to tell us about the plagiarism issue.

    I know it is a serious crime, however, there are thousands of bloggers and vloggers who are copying from everywhere such as magazines, newspapers, TVs, and others. It does NOT matter if they are hearing or deaf. Many people wouldn’t realize that they actually copied other’s.

    They are indicated to write the issue all they want.

    Remember Aidan Mack/Wayne Betts’ last year? Many of us brought up the controversial issue about the filmmakers’ projects.

    And now this……

    However, the photography position has a different story. We CANNOT make some copies from the professional/licensed photographers.

    White Ghost

  22. September 12, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    Copyrights are violated whenever a whole article s copied and pasted, even with proper cites and a link. Copying of up to several paragraphs along with a link to the original article is acceptable.

    DeafRead developed guidelines to address that copyright issue as many people weren’t aware of this. However, as more and more bloggers and vloggers are more familiar with the copyright guidelines, DeafRead is becoming stricter now

    Any blog or vlog that isn’t deaf-centric enough is moved to the Extra Section. If you feel one is published at the front page when it’s not deaf-centric enough or has been moved to the Extra by mistake, please alert the human editors. Also please do not hesitate to ask us if you have any question 🙂

  23. White Ghost
    September 12, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Mishka,

    Thanks for the clearing up about the copyrights.

    However, I honestly do not think that it will much more helpful if the human editors recognize the plagiarizing from thousands of b/vlog’s sites.

    In my opinion, it does not work at all.

    It is okay if we copy several grammars from the books, magazines, onlines, and others for the school projects, eventhough they are legally copyrights. All we want to indicate to make sure our issue, the three c’s — concise, clear and concept for the school project.

    White Ghost

  24. T.M.
    September 12, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Where is Bug? I don’t think he is here yet. I love his opinions. He is a wise man but blunt. Hey Bug, come and say something.

    Seekgoe, you have many videos of Hell Kicten on your vlog, DID you get their permission? You are breaking the copyright law. LMAO

    Tayler, you are not honest, unprofessional and not fair. If Fookem called and discussed with you about the concerns, WHY DID YOU SHARE WITH US ABOUT HIS CALL AND CONCERN? We don’t trust YOU.

    Fookem JFLMad and Bug didn’t break the laws. They didn’t sell or make money. They are SHARING with their joy. They copied the page and post with link. They make their own stories.

  25. seekgeo
    September 12, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    T.M.,

    Um, you are not making any sense. Obviously, you do not understand the meaning of plagiarism.

    As for Hell’s Kitchen; my videos are full of original content, there were some videos from FOX but I never claim to have filmed them, of course this should be obvious!

    So, let me say what plagiarism means that you steal content from web by simply copy and paste, word by word without giving a credit to the original author.

    -SG

  26. go deafread, not!
    September 12, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    Geez, they talk about the repeat posts of the same topics yet most of you are talking about the plagairism!

    I like their mcd story and think it should be on the front page cuz the bag is rare to find!
    You post their vlog about deafread guidelines and not mcd story? Weird!!!

    Deafread, please be fair and square of posting the stories on the front page.

  27. T.M.
    September 12, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Seekgeo,

    You put the other company’s own video in your vlog. Same situation with FookemBug, they put the article in their website.

  28. seekgeo
    September 12, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    T.M.,

    Again, I included comments, opinions, acting, etc on Hell’s Kitchen videos so it is original content.

    When someone copy and paste on a blog post without sharing opinions of own blogger’s, as well as point of view, etc. That is called plagiarism. Where you copy and paste word for word without having an effort to do any creative work.

    Please look up “plagiarism” in the dictionary.

    -SG

  29. T.M.
    September 12, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    Oh babe, you don’t get it. That’s okay. You don’t have to defend yourself. Admit that you took the parts of Fox’s videos for your silly play. You’re forgiven.

    Love,
    T.M.

    You know me. You dated me twice. I dumped you.

  30. Lisa Marie
    September 12, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    I learned something new here. I had no idea. But I am still a fan of FB and they share all for us to hear, see, and know what’s going on, but they also created their own topics as well….it’s their motto. I believe they will do a better way from now on and they will never give up. I believe in them. The guys are great! I am sure most of you agree! Thank you all the commenters for sharing and ideas…it’ll motivate them as well.

  31. drmzz
    September 12, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    Ooohhhh…. the splitting drama. 🙂
    Fookem JFLMad and Bug, I feel you. Other than “borrowed” news, you do produce interesting deaf related info. from time to time.

  32. Billythegoat
    September 12, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    It is the same thing if the cartoonist put the comic strips in the newspaper and said it is from another newspaper. They never put the link how they got it. Same thing goes to the reporter who is not in that area. They would say Associated Press (AP), again NO LINK! They have no respect? Come on. They share the information to the world what’s happening. And they get PAID, Fookembug don’t.

  33. Jean Boutcher
    September 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm

    It is sad that some of today’s professors fail to explain to students that plagiarism is a serious crime. The Washington Post ran an article some time last year saying that more and more students plagiarise for their research paper from the Internet. Some professors do not explain because they assume that all high school teachers have already educated students about plagiarism and copyright and crime infringement. For those who are interested, I shall be only too happy to furnish you with several links (vide infra). I would also suggest that you google for more information by typing in “copyright law,” and “plagiarism”. Please feel free to blog and ask questions after reading them.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000506—-000-.html
    Criminal offense
    Criminal Infringement

    http://www.rbs2.com/copyr.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

    I am quite familiar with the copyright law since I used to work at Georgetown University’s library
    many moons ago. I hope the links will be of help.

    Jean

  34. Penny
    September 12, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    Jean-

    I have to disagree with you about Professors being failed to explain to students that Plagiarism is a serious crime. My three Professors from summer classes mentioned about Plagiarism over and over and over and also telling students that they are responsible to drop class themselves. I was giggling quietly because I understood very well about Plagiarism and that we are solely responsible to drop class ourselves. We are adults after all. Professors told me in privately that some students tried to get away with Plagiarism in the past and expected Professors to drop classes for them too. I was shocked to learn about this. I am ready to hear about Plagiarism and drop class over and over and over when my school begins. (Readers-I am not here taking side with Deafread or Fookem and Bug as I did not follow up everything here, smile).

  35. Jean Boutcher
    September 13, 2007 at 8:51 am

    Penny:

    Please read the first line wherein I say “some”.

  36. Billythegoat
    September 13, 2007 at 10:02 am

    I clicked the link that Tayler left here.

    What is plagiarism?
    Simply put, plagiarism is the use of another’s original words or ideas as though they were your own. Any time you borrow from an original source and do not give proper credit, you have committed plagiarism and violated U.S. copyright laws.

    Fookembug did give the proper credit.

    Does it matter how much was copied?
    Not in determining whether or not plagiarism is a crime. If even a small part of a work is found to have been plagiarized, it is still considered a copyright violation. However, the amount that was copied probably will have a bearing on the severity of the punishment. A work that is almost entirely plagiarized will almost certainly incur greater penalties than a work that only includes a small amount of plagiarized material.

    Small part of a word is still violation. Tell me how much did bloggers/vloggers copied? LOT!

    Look at yourself, Tayler and your people. You violated because you put it in either in the front page or in extra and said ‘via link submit’.

    Fookembug editors, have something to say here. We are hungry to hear your side of the story.

  37. Lisa Marie
    September 13, 2007 at 10:17 am

    Bug will be here anytime

  38. Penny
    September 13, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Jean-

    I don’t know why I overlooked the word “some”. However, I think very few Professors (not some) that do not talk about it. I recalled my Professors at another University about four years ago mentioned about Plagarism but nothing about drop class. I won’t be surprised to hear about Plagarism and drop class all over again when my classes begin soon. Thanks for your correction anyway. 🙂

  39. Billythegoat
    September 13, 2007 at 10:26 am

    Tayler, you twisted the word what JFLMAD said as you stated:

    In response to “Fookembug’s” statement in their above comment “We understand the plagiarism clearly!”

    He does not say ‘plagiarism’. He said ‘it’. Next time, be careful what you say. DON’T ASSUME!

  40. September 13, 2007 at 10:09 pm

    Hello all,

    I am back from the trip.

    First of all, JFLMad the vlogger, was not talking about plagiarishm. He was talking about the repeating articles that DeafRead.com posted which it was against their own policy/rule so he would like to know why. Seem like nobody is staying on the point. I guess it’s okay for now.

    This issue is interesting. I keep seeing an argument on the internet, including in the comments here, that goes like this: “it was clearly a copyright violation.”, “plagiarism is a serious crime”, etc.

    Speaking of CopyRight Law. I think is too strict sometimes,and it somewhat old to apply to new media like blogs, vlogs, wikis and the internet in general. As mentioned the law will probably need to get revised to that it does not become a hinder for creativity and innovation. Copyright is pretty simple and straight forward. Everyone makes it more complicated and mysterious than is necessary. Just know fair use terms and you are OK. Also, like anything being legalistic, it has to do with money. If you are not profiting form the use…then you are probably OK. Copyright Law protects the expression of facts and ideas. That is the form, combination and structure of documents and not the facts themselves. You are free to use facts and ideas reported on articles or websites. I know many of you disagree and agree. I respect your challenges and opinions.

    If you look for something interesting …maybe book …or newspaper, you Google the title, for example “ Deaf” , you’ll get maybe 2,000 hits. But, for people like Washington Post (how many of you as bloggers posting their articles on your blog to show your friends, family, readers, whoever to read it), who are still giving us something to look forward to everyday on the internet or newspaper, the least you can do is tell your pals when pass along their newspaper to introduce him/her, “gotta to read this…”

    Mishka Zena, what’s about this? (http://mishkazena.wordpress.com/2006/11/16/death-penalty-sought-in-deaf-slaying/#comments) Does it mean that you broke the law too? I don’t think so because you did putting the citation just like you posted the whole article from newspaper. It’s exactly what we do in here too.

    Tayler, you own Deafvideo.tv, do you? You take a lot of people’s videos and post on your website. You have our video in there too. For the record, we never mind when people make copies of FB for their personal use. Just like if you want to e-mail your favorite comic, quotes, video, etc to a friend, that’s great. We even make that easy by providing a button for that purpose on FookemBug.com If we like their articles…. and feel that they are interesting, we bring them to our page WITH their links just like you posted a thousand topics such as “Through Deaf Eyes”, “Daphne Wright’s murder trial”, “ Issues of Gallaudet”, NAD’s reports, many more…. on your DeafRead.com.

    We are not stealing anything to make profits. Is the Big Mac receipe being copyrighted? I don’t care. I bought Big Mac. I let my dog bite it too. Also, I gave Fookem and JFLMad my 5 pieces of french fries. Sue me, McDonald’s!

    We hear all, see all, know all, and share all.

    Bug

  41. Lisa Marie
    September 13, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Oh, I am so glad you are back!

  42. Hillary Clinton
    September 14, 2007 at 1:14 am

    umm… very good issue… definitely, it will be on my agenda when i am the president…

    please vote for me, dear citizens…

    smoochly,
    hillary

  43. Janet
    September 14, 2007 at 7:14 am

    Very good point and well said, Bug! Cheer!

  44. September 14, 2007 at 9:16 am

    Wow! I did not realize there was a lot of drama here! Anyway, I recommend that you use “Link Submit” then add in your viewpoint, opinion, whatever in description form field if you are want to showcase the whole aritcle like I do sometimes starting recently. I do that for the first time with the weird article about audiologist’s new testing methods.

    As for same old topics, yeah, it is very blurry line but they are human editors.

  45. Billythegoat
    September 14, 2007 at 10:31 am

    Bug, well said!

  46. PP
    October 12, 2007 at 10:36 am

    DeafRead-
    You should get rid of your guidelines. They are useless
    because you have been inconsistent. Ridor has been
    attacking sexual orientation in his recent blog about
    Lisa Marie Rose. You did nothing. I would think that
    your guidelines disallow that. No? You keep on using
    your famous excuse “we are human editors”. You
    should ban Ridor completely from Deafread, but I know
    you do not want to because you need him and his hits.

    Hypocrite!

  47. @%$#*!
    October 12, 2007 at 11:12 am

    Not only Ridor but Gary Brooks, too. The Human Editors posted lot of Gary’s which is attacking on a specific race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orienation, age or religion.

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